I am simply advising - I don't need opinions or debate, just hopefully giving you insight
The only hadith that could mention hijab only is a da'eef (weak) hadith where the prophet Muhammad saws pointed to his face and hands, and it's the only ambiguous hadith.
All others are sound, and are directly talking about niqab, including in the tafsir of the qur'an.
Now part two of this is I want to tell you about guys
Guys are professional idiots, they have made it a true profession to play dumb.
So they smile, act quiet and shy, don't look for too long! And never look at you except for your face!
Right? Wrong. I have worked in the public for 5 years dealing with thousands of people, muslims good and bad, kuffar good and bad, educated in school, ignorant on the street, white, black, spanish, arab, young and old.
I have seen it all in various areas as well.
But you know what I have never seen even once? I have never seen a girl walk around us, then after leaving, I have never seen a man not make an incredibly rude and disgusting comment.
I have seen modestly dressed women well into their 40's, and if you heard the remarks that men say after she leaves, wAllahi you would cry because you had no idea that they would say something like that.
Simple hijabis are just as good as a target, even the muslim men, when the girl isn't there - the comments are even worse... do you know what they say they want to do to your face? You have no idea.
Remember this, if they see your face, WALLAHI they will imagine the rest.
If they don't, they have nothing to imagine.
I am giving this info because men are not honest and they're not honest for a reason, it's NO FUN for them if they can't see you. wAllahi I don't do anything with girls, I don't mix, but if I do look at a girl, it's simply not possible for thoughts that you wouldn't imagine to get into my head.
This is how we are made. I have never seen an exception to this from a man, even once. It doesn't matter how good or bad, it's just how our brain is.
This is advice to those Muslims considering the subject. All others, I do not want your input and do not need your remarks
Allah sent the commands of modesty for both of us to remain pure, from our mind, to our word, to our action.
Truly, what Allah has commanded is to make us be more pure.
And don't say ''oh well they should lower their gaze.'' This is a topic in of itsself, so if you are concerned with yourself and your own purity, then you have duties - if you'd like to post a question concerning men's modesty then please do it's welcome, but this is about niqab only here.
I do hope I sent this to people with open minds and inshaAllah you see that my intentions are good and all I am hoping is that you contemplate the subject. Life is short, and we should meet Allah while he is pleased with us. So before rejecting anything, think about it with an open mind.
Facts are what we need. asalamu alaikum!Question for the Muslimahs?
Assalamu Alaikum, Famous niqab controversy, I really feel niqab is Obligatory, I dont wear a niqab now because i fear for my safety but in the near future insha'ALLAH i will. A lot of woman dont want to wear a niqab so it should not be forced. It should be up to her. When woman get force to wear a hijab or niqab i see this as oppression. But your rigth The evidence is in Allah's statement.
‘[Tell the believing women) to draw their veils over their necks and bosoms’ (al-Nur [24:] 31).
Allah has ordered them to lower their headcovering from their heads over the opening in the front of chest. If it comes down from the head, it covers both the face and the neck and front chest area. Allah also says,
‘[Tell the believing women] not to reveal their adornments except to their husbands, their fathers...’ (al-Nur [24:] 31).
Therefore, it is forbidden for her to expose her adornments save in front of her husband and other mahram men.';
Shaikh ibn Jibreen, ';Islamic Fatawa Regarding Women'; (Darussalam Publishers, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 1996), p. 295, emphasis partially in original.
These two Saudi opinions are noteworthy for the paucity of Quranic and hadith citations in their support.
There is a good reason why the learned shaikhs don’t quote the Quran: IT DOESN’T SUPPORT THEIR POSITION!
The so-called ';revelation'; of hijab appears in Surah 24. The following is the Yusef Ali translation of the relevant verses [all emphases in passages from the Quran or ahadith are added by me]:
SAY TO THE BELIEVING MEN THAT THEY SHOULD LOWER THEIR GAZE AND GUARD THEIR MODESTY: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
* Just because a woman wears a niqab or burqa it doesn't always protect her from sick perverts just look at the woman in afghanistan, They get harrased everyday even with a burqa's, How is that justified,??? So No matter what woman wear man will always wonder what's under that burqa or niqab.If a man fears ALLAH he will lower his gaze with no problem but lets face it 95% of man dont. A lot of man blame us for their lustful desires. Its not right, they should look at themselves first before pointing their finger on us woman. A lot of muslim man just want us woman to follow islamic dress code, But how many of those muslim man actually let their bears grow like muhammed SAW asked them to,? And i know what they want to do to our faces, If man want us to follow islamic dress code they should too. Once this muslim man asked me to marry him he wanted me to wear a niqab, Which i have no problem wearing one, but yet he shaves off his beard??you see how unfair this is,? When i asked him about why he shaves off his bear, He replied.
';Because non-believers listen to me about islam when im shaved'; my point is if a man expects me to wear a niqab he should follow islamic dress code too, We are both gonna be accountable for our actions.Question for the Muslimahs?
this isn't a question, it's a cure for insomnia
Well.. I know you said no non-Muslims.. but I am sorry you just confirmed my beliefs about men in general ... sad day... done
Assalamu Alaikum
';do you know what they say they want to do to your face? You have no idea.'; that freaked me out o.O
Im glad you posted this i have been thinking about wearing a niqab but i know its not going to be easy to convince my family i actually told my brother and he said he wont claim me and he started throwing things at me o.O and he compared it to a girl driving a car ...
i dont know but Jazak Allahu Khair for sharing!
Edit: yea i tried to show him he hit me lol o well atleast i tried
~Peace♥!
No, thanks (since you're not looking for a debate).
I'm sure a 13 year old boy just read this and realized he can and should be a sexist jerk because ';that's how he's made';.
Edit- by sexist I mean seeing women as sexual objects. I mean this:
';Remember this, if they see your face, WALLAHI they will imagine the rest.';
';I don't mix, but if I do look at a girl, it's simply not possible for thoughts that you wouldn't imagine to get into my head.';
[[[[[[[[[[';This is how we are made. I have never seen an exception to this from a man, even once. It doesn't matter how good or bad, it's just how our brain is.';]]]]]]]]]]
It's one thing being different. I know very well that both genders aren't the same on many levels and don't have the same sexual triggers, but to believe that any part of the woman showing is a JUSTIFICATION for the boy/man to get sexual thoughts about her is unacceptable.
EDIT-
There's a difference between being different or being made fun of or looked at funny and being deleted as an individual and becoming recognized only through your gender, not your person. Modesty in dress and hijab are empowering, niqab is (sometimes willingly) a withdrawal from society. I have no problem with women doing it. Power to them! But your argument and the fact that you're bringing this up goes against:
';This is a topic in of itsself, so if you are concerned with yourself and your own purity, then you have duties';
Anyway, your point has been made and noted.
Mashallah.
Jazakallah Khair for sharing your sincerity!
May Allah guide us all to become righteous muslims/muslimas.
So you are saying hijab is not enough and that niqab is compulsory?
Well there are differing opinions on this. Some scholars say hijab is fard and other scholars say niqab is fard. They are both accepted opinions though.
I take the view that hijab is fard and niqab is better. I don't really care what men think about me or what they say about me. As long as I am dressed modestly and wearing hijab and doing what I need to do to cover myself properly, then I've done my bit so I am not to blame. There shall be no blame on a woman if she is wearing correct hijab and is not doing anything to attract men.
If women constantly kept worrying about what men will be saying about us, then we will never step out of the house in the first place, there's no point in that. Also, you're a man so I don't think you would know what its like to wear hijab/niqab especially in the west and you don't have to worry about that. So its easy to point your finger at women, when you don't have to wear the hijab/niqab and then say that we have to wear niqab when you are a male and would never know what that's like. No offense.
Well a very knowledgeable scholar Dr Zakir Naik said that hijab is fard, not niqab. A woman is not a sinner for showing her face. Wsalaam alaikum.
I also live among people and i have seen many men who do not talk behind girls/women modest or not.
Edit:
Having a beard does not make you any less stranger/familiar to GOD. We are judged based on our actions, not on our appearances.
Edit:
You can't tell me what i must believe because that is not how Islam works. I don't believe Islam teaches us to grow beards.
I believe Islam teaches us to be kind to our neighbors, to wish for our brothers what we wish for ourselves, to love and respect our parents, to fight for justice, to overcome the hardships of life, but it does not teach us to grow beards.
Your interpretation from islam might differ from mine which is absolutely fine. You are not to follow me and i am not to follow you if there is no logical reason. Because on the last day, you cannot defend me nor can i defend you. We are only to learn from eachother and respect the positions of one another.
Assalaam Alaykum. Thanks for the advice, that is what confused me. I see all these hadiths in Bukari that say niqab is required, I even interpret Sura 33:59 to mean niqab for the women of the belivers, AND the wives and daughters of the Prophet (Salla Allahu Alayhi Wa Salaam) but then I see so many hijab only Muslimahs putting up this hadith you just mentioned as da'eef. Where I live, the place is very anti-Muslim, in fact I have never seen a Muslim in 4 towns in my mother's county and of course in the town my grandmother lives in and the one about an half hour-1 hour drive from her house. I don't wear niqab in America because I fear for my safety wearing it in a very anti-Muslim area, and niqab would end up attracting attention to me instead of doing what it is supposed to which is DIVERTING attention from me. I do plan on wearing it though when I go to my husband's country in 2011 after I graduate with my A.S. degree.
';This is how we are made. I have never seen an exception to this from a man, even once. It doesn't matter how good or bad, it's just how our brain is.';
And that's our fault?
When prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him) saw women in hijab with or without niqab he would lower his gaze or turn his face away and his mind was clean...he's a man too you know,it's not impossible to follow his character...even if you were made like that it doesent mean you'll be excused for thinking impure thoughts..and it doesent make it our fault if we dont wear niqab..
Our job is to wear hijab and dress modestly and your job and to help us fullfil the purpose of a hijab and just lower your gaze...and Im sorry Im not going to wear a Niqab
1.Allah didnt say we have to
2.I wouldnt be able to breathe..I know I've tried it before.
Narrated by Aisha (Radiallahuana):'Aisha added, ';None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.';
Edit:serisouly,you're telling me niqab is fard?..now you're just lying.
You told me to look at the hadiths alright:lets see what hadiths say...
‘Aa’ishah (Radiallahuanhu) MOTHER OF THE BELIEVERS said, regarding the female in ihraam, “She may drape the garment on her face, if she wishes.”
Salaam
For this ';advising'; that you are doing, provide Quran reference supported by Hadith.
Instead of criticizing everyones response (which you asked for) support you criticisms with evidence.
*There are 7 verses in the Quran concerning Hjiab according to the tafsir of these 7 verses arise 3 grades of Hijab. You post them up as support for your post.
I have two sisters and this debate has occurred between us many times. So as a result I am quiet familiar with the issue.
*It boils down to what Madh'hab/Fiqh a person follows, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali or Jafari. I am not qualified to to give an opinion or criticize in any way, and nor is anyone else here, I for one have never inquired which school of thought any of the users here follows.
And you have not provided a single source for your insight. I believe it is just your opinion or what you have been told.
*It's JAMAL
I agree with what your saying insha'allah i will have the strenght to wear niqaab some day.I know how men think... its disgusting some men are living proof as to why theyre called dogs.But i do think men should lower their gaze and have control of their thinking regardless...no matter how revealing a women is...you should have it in you to think what she is doing is sinful...if your looking at her think how many other men are looking at her?that should make u lower ur gaze.
You know what? in todays world its very rare to find a decent guy who lowers his gaze and avoid sin (yh i know we're all human) but the strongest of you is he who can control his desires no matter what situation/environment your put in you should have that amout of self control to know what is sin and avoid it.It doesnt make you big if youve been with sooo many girls.That just shows how insecure and weak you are.Personally I wouldnt marry any guy who feels the need to date girls just to make himself feel big or feel big in front of his friends.Pathetic.(Lol sorry Jihad im not ranting at you but speaking generally)
Asalam Alaikum
There are knowledgeable scholars who say it is Fard, and knowledgeable scholars who say it is Sunnah, but most all say it is best and if not Fard then close to it. So really I ask what is the major difference here.
I was asked early today by a non Muslim why I wear niqab while some women just wear the hijab. Here is my answer.
The number one purpose of hijab is to obey Allah, obligatory or extra the niqab is doing more to obey Allah. The hijab protects the women from unwanted sexual attention, the hijab protects the men from things they are not to be looking at, and when both man and women are protected, society as a whole is better. The more both men and women can do the better, and for the women that is niqab. But at the end of the day the niqab is just a piece of cloth, a women has to act the part just as men have to do their part.
And Allah knows best
Hijab or Niqab?
This has been a matter of discussion amongst Muslims for ages, ulama supporting any of the 2 have concrete proofs, however the times we live in, the Ladies (especially modernist girls/women) are more inclined towards wearing Hijab rather than going for Niqab (If they are ready at first place) , the western mind set looks down upon noble women wearing Jilbab in its true sense (i.e. Niqab).
Note: Technically even Hijab refers to Proper covering from top to bottom, but here It will be referred for those who are not convinced with Face covering.
Some scholars have tried to reconcile between both viewpoints by offering choice to women whether they like to go for Hijab or Niqab (though Niqab is recommended), some like Nasir ud-din Albani have even gone to the extent of justifying that ruling on Hijab supercedes that of Niqaab, this according to us is a wrong conclusion, especially for our sisters in sub-continent where men are often seen preying at women (so in any given condition, anywhere in the world where the women may become easy targets of men satisfying their inner lustful desires, then the ruling of Niqab from merely recommended changes to Wajib and there indeed is proof of it rather a dominant one)
In Light of Quran and Hadith
وَقُلْ لِلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ
Quran states: And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms (24:31)
Hadith #1
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:
'Aisha used to say: ';When (the Verse): ';They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,'; was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.';
►Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282: (Sahih Bukhari)
The wording for veil in the ayah of Surah Al-Nur is “Bi-Khumorihina” (and according to lexicographers it denotes to covering the bosoms from top in a way that face is covered too) the wording used in hadith is also similar i.e.”ikhtamarna bi ha”, those who oppose Niqab consider the above translation of Muhsin-Khan to be wrong, they claim that Khimar means veil or head scarf and covering the face is a separate issue, However Khimar in arabic also includes covering the face, although Muhsin Khan is indeed known for his forgeries to English translation of Sahih Bukhari but over here he is not wrong.
Still if someone is aggressive in disagreeing then Quran has explained it in another fashion too i.e. Jalabeeb which is mentioned in Surah al-Ahzaab
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُلْ لِأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَنْ يُعْرَفْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ
Quran states: O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed.(Al-Quran 33:59)
In this case too it refers to covering the face along with rest of the body, as a matter of fact the ruling attached in relevance to this ayah is more strict than just covering the face (i.e. Ulama explained through ahadith that It refers to even showing 1 eye to see.. Allahu Akbar, Note: This is not to insult women in any way but to strengthen the viewpoint of covering face)
ok allah didn't say to wear a niqab or whatever i don't wear it cuz simply i can't it's not me for the ppl who wear it ok thats good for them they r going for more modesty but i would never ever wear it i tired something better then a niqab in a way cuz u don't even see ur eyes i felt like i was going to fall and die seriously it was scary but my cuz has been wearing it since she got married cuz her husband is jealous well she's pretty i wouldn't blame him lol but with all of that being said i think niqab is a good idea in the muslim countries but not in west i live in Canada so i don't think it's a good idea oh did u guys hear if any of u in here live in Canada Quebec doesn't allow ppl to wear it anymore if they need services well kinda they have right cuz they need to be able to see ur face to proof that it's u not
someone else
and sorry if i might have hurt someone but don't get me wrong i think it's good thing to do
What you're saying is reasonable, its true we aren't men so we wouldn't know what its like for you lot...common sense tells us niqab protects us more than the hijab...
Do you regard the niqab as compulsory or you think its better if it were? (As we are allowed to show our hands, feet and faces). I'm sure like France other countries in the West will also have the niqaab banned - I hardly see any wearing a niqab in the UK ( but I'm not against it!)
Salaam
p.s again if anything seems rude its not meant to be!
if niqab is compulsory .. why r we women ordered .. not to cover our faces when in ehraam?
salam alaikom.
This is why you're single prick.
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